monome

variable velocity output based on timing / controlled randomization

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  • miskmisk

    I have an idea for creating variable velocity based on the delta time between note offs/ons. my goal is a midi instrument (for live or whatever) that allows for the following:

    subtle shifts in velocity to "humanize" the output based on how fast you hit a pad (e.g. tapping c hats every 16th, and having every other 16th hit a little weaker).

    borax seems like the best object for this, given it records delta time, and i can reset it with say, every 6 events or whatever.

    I gotta run to work, but i'd love some suggestions. I was looking into how to scale delta time to a MIDI output from 0-127. a subtle randomization would be dope too - with basic settings to turn it off, on, and adjust the amount with key presses.

    This seems like a dope way to overcome the lack of velocity sensitivity on a monome that outputs either a 0 or a 1.

    your thoughts? I'd love to make this into an abstraction for further use/improvement.

    cheers!

  • elquintoelquinto

    if the monome was on a soft surface like a t-shirt or something maybe u could use the accelerometer's z-axis to detect velocity?

  • RajaTheResidentPoserRajaTheResidentPoser

  • miskmisk

    Yeah I'm thinking like - you shake a shaker and the offbeat is a slightly different timbre. Another thing I'm playing with when I've got this figured out is a sort of controllable strumming midi effect when you hold down a pad/note.

    Acellorometer idea is DOPE tho! At work but when I get home I'm gonna keep fooling with it!

  • chrisbob12chrisbob12

    Have you looked at the DIY forums on madrona labs? That might offer a way forward._

  • miskmisk

    @chrisbob12 I haven't even considered madrona labs. I'll check it now! thanks!

    the real goal here is to overcome the perception that velocity sensitivity on a grid is'nt possible, when it is, it just requires some tricks ;)

  • miskmisk

    perhaps something like the Lemur - every interface element has at least two variables. usually 3.

    x,y,z. x would be say, the current setting of a fader, and z is essentially if it's being touched or not - and you can define the delta time for that variable. there's gotta be a way to do something similar with a grid.

    not like an ipad is velocity sensitive natively. if anyone has any clues on the math (even just any ideas for expr) i'd be greatly appreciative. as it stands now, i've determined that the duration of a note being held, as well as the delta times between note-offs.

    been experimenting with scale, and clip to determine the best way these two values interrelate mathematically so they can be smoothly scaled to generate a velocity of 0-127. fyi - with borax i'm using ms to determine delta time. i've experimented with values of 256, 512, and 1024 but nothing seems right.

    if anyone has any algorithm design ideas for relating note duration and delta time - i could use the math :)

  • RajaTheResidentPoserRajaTheResidentPoser

  • miskmisk

    @raja good reads, and took me down quite the cnmat rabbit hole! I was considering the added latency with measuring delta time for *every* button press. perhaps the best way to do it would be to just have a "humanize" slider. say the far right column and 7,7 for 'off' and 0,7 for 'fully random'.

    it'd be simpler, and wouldn't add excess latency. Utilizing drunk and multiplying the output by the button state would be interesting. still playing with it.

    Yes, I suppose this is all in the name of expressiveness, and perhaps that's not minimal enough - but considering you have an interface that responds (or is perceived to respond) more expressively with the inclusion of subtle velocity changes, without the need for the operator of said interface to *do* anything extra besides just play is arguably, the quintessential minimalist addition to any musical interface, given 'it does what it says on the tin'.

    get the tech out of the way so the user can just do what they do, and develop their own technique with the existing interface, i say.

  • RajaTheResidentPoserRajaTheResidentPoser

  • GreaterThanZeroGreaterThanZero

    Where am I, indeed? I'm in the past:
    http://monome.org/community/discussion/14262

  • GreaterThanZeroGreaterThanZero

    Okay, reading through the thread a bit deeper, that's not quite what we're after. Hang on a sec...

  • GreaterThanZeroGreaterThanZero

    Randomization is not implemented here.

    You'll want to hook the matrixctrl to a grid somehow, probably as a page in some other app.


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  • GreaterThanZeroGreaterThanZero

    Here, randomization *is* implemented. It's a bit messier and harder to follow.


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  • GreaterThanZeroGreaterThanZero

    So... That was completely off-base and y'all are too polite to say so?